Last I checked, Frank Sinatra wasn't any kind of metal. :)

[quote]Hrm....
Carcass, Kreator, Immolation, Dying Fetus, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Blind Guardian, Theatre of Tragedy, Moonspell, Symphony X, Luca Turilli, Gorguts, Dio, the Gathering, Iced Earth, Savatage, Nevermore, Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death...

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Someone has kick ass taste in music!

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Lots of people think anonymity brings them at a higher level of power... I just think it makes them larger dickheads than they really are in person. :-D

[quote]Hrm....
Carcass, Kreator, Immolation, Dying Fetus, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Blind Guardian, Theatre of Tragedy, Moonspell, Symphony X, Luca Turilli, Gorguts, Dio, the Gathering, Iced Earth, Savatage, Nevermore, Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death...
I'm from the whole camp my friend.
:)
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As I said, we're a little different. My list would read more like...
Vintersorg, Otyg, Storm, Borknagar, Finntroll, In Flames, Amorphis, My Dying Bride, Novembers Doom, Evoken, dISEMBOWELMENT, Left Hand Solution, Morgion, Shape of Despair, Celestial Season, and whatnot. Heavier emphasis on doomy and folksy stuff, and less deathy and power metal.

I'm getting old.

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I am a delicate fucking flower. https://beacons.ai/jesskent

[quote]Erm, I never said don't listen to it.
And "metal" is far from NARROW cast.
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No, no, no.... you're missing it. Way back when when the cool shit was on AM radio, or early FM rock was starting to become marketable, there were no genre's and sub-genres. There was no "Metal, thrash metal, death metal, pop metal, hard pop, power pop, aluminum, hair metal, spandex metal, soft rock, AOR, adult contemporary, ska, thrash ska, punk, neo punk, post punk...." None of that. that was an absurd notion. There was just the radio, and there were hit songs and no video to sell them. You could switch on the radio and hear Deep Purple, Sabbath, B.J. Thomas, Status Quo, The Beatles, the Four Seasons... all in a row. Narrowcast Genre Marketing was invented by record companies to accomodate signing more bands and to get the kids to express some sort of cultural allegience to a sepcific type of rock or pop. It was simply to move more product and to diversify. Clothing manufacturers also jumped on the bandwagon to help farm certain looks for certin musical allegiences. Punk, metal, pop, (torn T-Shirts, spikes and leather, skinny ties....) and the like all had their own fashions, too. 80's youth culture films helped to foment this marketing tactic as well. Eventually, it was the norm. Youth, culture, and musical tastes all had their own flags and were pre-fab commodities. Back when I was a kid, it was just rock and roll. You liked a song or you didn't. I'm not saying you should think that's interesting or better, but it's a fact. I've been watchin' it happen from inside the industry for almost three decades.

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

Tell us more, Grandpa!

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

It *is* interesting, but considering that I can't turn on any radio station and hear much music I like for any ammount of time... and considering that if radio were still the way you remember it that I still wouldn't be very satisfied, the difference just doesn't mean much to me.

While I see your point about the consumerism deal, think of it this way... does anyone look at fine art and say "Boy, it sure is silly to differentiate between baroque, surrealism, dada, cubism, rennaisance, expressionist, and all that rot... it's all just art."?

I'm not saying it's inherently without merit, but please be reminded that all of those schools of creative form evolved from the artists need for a broader range of expression, and covered several decades of creative form and content. Not a marketing department. And radio is mostly just shit, yeah.

As for the grandpa crack, let's have lunch in 20 years and we can talk about how all of the rage and angst laden "cool" stuff you like now was sold to you by somebody even older than I. :- )

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

I hope it doesn't sound like I am saying that there weren't pre-fab pop stars in the 50's. 60's, and 70's, too. That's absurd. Of course there were. It was a new form, and became cultural currency in the process of it's creation, or it was rejected as fake. The socio-cultural and intellectual stratification of pop musical tastes was a phenomenon of televsion, radio, and a huge market for something that needed fresh meat in it maw. (Baby boomers.... Fuckoff huge generation, yo.) It didn't become a bought and paid for marketing concept until the 80's, though, when the guys in the suits all figured out how to deal with the kiddies for real: Don't treat them like kiddies. Make your ads and sales channels and the content thereof appeal to the hanging-on-by-a-thread- feeling of importance that permeates adolescent iconography. They tried to work a bit of this in the 50's and 60's with youth targeted film, but it was roundly denounced as trash. By the 80's, social mores had loosened and melodrama was quite fashionable. The more dirty laundry the better. Decadence had become acceptable as art or journalism.

The point is: You didn't have to have a tribe back then. If you were young, you were in that tribe already if you chose to be. The suits were looking for the next new thing, not trying to manufacture the thing that sounds a lot like the last thing that moved 7 million units. It became conservative, and as such, is now another industry that is farming old ground instead of furrowing the new. Nothing you hear on commercial radio -or see on Mtv- got there without several millions of dollars being spent.

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.