It's less of an evolution and more of a "same spirit, different environs." Punk rock was the folk music of young, frustrated, white British kids and hip-hop was the folk music of young black New Yorkers. They both evolved fairly organically and had the same independent spirit. But I don't think Spoonie Gee was listening to Sham 69 records or anything...[/quote]

Exactly my point.

And I agree that the Ramones started it all. Bitches.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

No one started it all. A bunch of people just started doing it.

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