It's possible he chose *not* to call upon the lightning. He was a warrior and a damn good one at that. I would guess he didn't feel he needed to use it, whereas ol' wrinkle-head had already decided he was done being all physical and stopped using his lightsaber. There doesn't seem to be any indication that Anakin lost his ability to use the lightning, just that he didn't use it after being "transformed".

It has been canocally suggested that Han Solo was somewhat force-sensitive, which is why he was so damned lucky. The 4 lightsabers shouldn't have given him a specific advantage since Anakin got his ass handed to him by an old man whilst using two sabers, and Grievous took out several Jedi at once with his four sabers *and* that was face-to-face. Not to mention it's hard to catch a Jedi by surprise without some way to counteract that extra sensitivity provided by the force. I'm not saying for sure that Greivous is force sensitive, I'm just saying that there are signs indicating he might. It is a weak argument, but it's still there.

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[quote]It's possible he chose *not* to call upon the lightning. He was a warrior and a damn good one at that. I would guess he didn't feel he needed to use it, whereas ol' wrinkle-head had already decided he was done being all physical and stopped using his lightsaber. There doesn't seem to be any indication that Anakin lost his ability to use the lightning, just that he didn't use it after being "transformed".

It has been canocally suggested that Han Solo was somewhat force-sensitive, which is why he was so damned lucky. The 4 lightsabers shouldn't have given him a specific advantage since Anakin got his ass handed to him by an old man whilst using two sabers, and Grievous took out several Jedi at once with his four sabers *and* that was face-to-face. Not to mention it's hard to catch a Jedi by surprise without some way to counteract that extra sensitivity provided by the force. I'm not saying for sure that Greivous is force sensitive, I'm just saying that there are signs indicating he might. It is a weak argument, but it's still there.[/quote]

No, Vader couldn't use force lightning, this was covered in the books (he didn't have organic hands). The force was weakened in him compared to what it would have been if he were still human, but he was still formidable because of his immense power to begin with (read the follow up book to ep. 3 for all the info).

Greivous was not force sensitive. He was a general of an army that was attacked by the Jedi. He had superior technology and an excellent military mind- that coupled with his hatred of the Jedi caused him to be selected to become general Greivous (there was a comic series about the clone wars).

And yes, Solo was force sensitive, but not enough to let him consciously use the force (the only place I can recall this being mentioned was in the CCG, both on the cards and as an example of how force sensitivity works in the rule book).

As for the Death Star, firstly remember that the Jedi never posessed such a weapon. I could go on about the Sun Crusher (a ship that could literally fly through a sun and explode it on the way through) that Kyp Durron stole after the Jedi were reformed, but I think I'll just lose everyone if I do. Secondly, the Borg are going to assimilate something like the Death Star pretty damn quick...

Finally, you cannot discount how powerful a weapon the Jedi can be. After Skywalker reformed the Jedi and set up their new base of operations at Yavin, they were attacked by a fleet of Imperial remnant ships. They joined together in a circle and channeled their force power through a single Jedi to hurl a force blast into space, so powerful that it killed everyone on the ships and blew the ships themselves out into the depths of space (although the guy in the middle gets fried). If a dozen Jedi could get close enough to the Borg city they could easily destroy it.

In the end I have no doubts the Borg could defeat the Jedi, and the only way the Jedi could stand up to them would be with a significant army backing them. The Jedi were really just a glorified police force, and only at times of war (20 years before the rise of the Empire to 30 years or so after) did they have access to an army. Pre-clone wars they wouldn't have had the technology. After the rise of the new republic the Jedi were just a shadow of their former order (and had lost most of the knowledge of the Jedi ways). If the Jedi had the clone army to fight with and no separatists/sith to contend with, they could take down the Borg. Otherwise, resistance would be futile.

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[quote][quote]It's possible he chose *not* to call upon the lightning. He was a warrior and a damn good one at that. I would guess he didn't feel he needed to use it, whereas ol' wrinkle-head had already decided he was done being all physical and stopped using his lightsaber. There doesn't seem to be any indication that Anakin lost his ability to use the lightning, just that he didn't use it after being "transformed".

It has been canocally suggested that Han Solo was somewhat force-sensitive, which is why he was so damned lucky. The 4 lightsabers shouldn't have given him a specific advantage since Anakin got his ass handed to him by an old man whilst using two sabers, and Grievous took out several Jedi at once with his four sabers *and* that was face-to-face. Not to mention it's hard to catch a Jedi by surprise without some way to counteract that extra sensitivity provided by the force. I'm not saying for sure that Greivous is force sensitive, I'm just saying that there are signs indicating he might. It is a weak argument, but it's still there.[/quote]

No, Vader couldn't use force lightning, this was covered in the books (he didn't have organic hands). The force was weakened in him compared to what it would have been if he were still human, but he was still formidable because of his immense power to begin with (read the follow up book to ep. 3 for all the info).

Greivous was not force sensitive. He was a general of an army that was attacked by the Jedi. He had superior technology and an excellent military mind- that coupled with his hatred of the Jedi caused him to be selected to become general Greivous (there was a comic series about the clone wars).

And yes, Solo was force sensitive, but not enough to let him consciously use the force (the only place I can recall this being mentioned was in the CCG, both on the cards and as an example of how force sensitivity works in the rule book).

As for the Death Star, firstly remember that the Jedi never posessed such a weapon. I could go on about the Sun Crusher (a ship that could literally fly through a sun and explode it on the way through) that Kyp Durron stole after the Jedi were reformed, but I think I'll just lose everyone if I do. Secondly, the Borg are going to assimilate something like the Death Star pretty damn quick...

Finally, you cannot discount how powerful a weapon the Jedi can be. After Skywalker reformed the Jedi and set up their new base of operations at Yavin, they were attacked by a fleet of Imperial remnant ships. They joined together in a circle and channeled their force power through a single Jedi to hurl a force blast into space, so powerful that it killed everyone on the ships and blew the ships themselves out into the depths of space (although the guy in the middle gets fried). If a dozen Jedi could get close enough to the Borg city they could easily destroy it.

In the end I have no doubts the Borg could defeat the Jedi, and the only way the Jedi could stand up to them would be with a significant army backing them. The Jedi were really just a glorified police force, and only at times of war (20 years before the rise of the Empire to 30 years or so after) did they have access to an army. Pre-clone wars they wouldn't have had the technology. After the rise of the new republic the Jedi were just a shadow of their former order (and had lost most of the knowledge of the Jedi ways). If the Jedi had the clone army to fight with and no separatists/sith to contend with, they could take down the Borg. Otherwise, resistance would be futile.
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I just blew a force load.

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Again, I was trying to stay cannocal, and Lucas has pretty much explicitly stated that just about anything outside the movies is non-canon (such as Boba Fett surviving his dive into the Sarlacc's stomach).

And we keep switching gears to talk about the Jedi as force users. The Sith have used super-powerful technology several times, both in canon and non-canon works. The sith Revan and later Malak (and not accepted, Revan again) used the Star Forge to quickly make thousands of ships nearly 4000 years before the battle of Yavin, and of course the sith lords Sidious and Vader were in command of both Death Stars.

Arguably, the first Death Star had a horribly easy to expliot weakness and the second was essentially defeated by teddy bears, but let's be honest here: The borg can be killed by simple weapons too. Look at Picard with a Thompson against a borg. Easy kill.

Which also makes me wonder why they didn't just keep a supply of thompsons aboard all starships after that was discovered... Hell, the enterprise should have kept some railguns around to fight borg ships.

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The writers knew if they did that, then fanboys would be so overcome with the awesomeness, they'd have spontaneous multiple orgasms and then explode, causing ratings to drop.

The writers knew if they did that, then fanboys would be so overcome with the awesomeness, they'd have spontaneous multiple orgasms and then explode, causing ratings to drop.[/quote]

I just blew a railload.

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The writers knew if they did that, then fanboys would be so overcome with the awesomeness, they'd have spontaneous multiple orgasms and then explode, causing ratings to drop.[/quote]

I just blew a railload.[/quote]I just blew a goat.

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Haw -- buncha nerds. I've got your nano-probe for ya. Right here.

Wait, that didn't quite come out right.

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

You meant megaprobe.

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We're talking about a SW/ST crossover and you're talking to me about canon? I keel joo bitch.

Seriously though, the Sith (pre Bane) would easily take down the Borg. No contest.

If George Lucas is making cash off of it, it's canonical.

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We're talking about a SW/ST crossover and you're talking to me about canon? I keel joo bitch.

Seriously though, the Sith (pre Bane) would easily take down the Borg. No contest.
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I am a n00b to the Star Wars extended galaxies, but I assume you mean the Sith beyond the Outer Rim. Don't kill me.

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Darth Bane was the Sith that first created the one master one apprentice philosophy. Before that the Sith had the same numbers as the Jedi. Originally the Sith were a race from a single planet, most of which were slaves to the force users. There was a war between Sith and Jedi (approx 5000 years before SW) and the Sith fled the galaxy. Later they returned in force to wage war (the lightsabers at this point had a power cord plugged into a generator they wore on their belts). They lost again, but then later returned to try again and killed themselves creating a thing called a mind bomb (they link together to turn themselves into a bomb). Darth Bane and one apprentice survived.

So that's where the Pussycat Dolls got the idea from.

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Darth Bane was the Sith that first created the one master one apprentice philosophy. Before that the Sith had the same numbers as the Jedi. Originally the Sith were a race from a single planet, most of which were slaves to the force users. There was a war between Sith and Jedi (approx 5000 years before SW) and the Sith fled the galaxy. Later they returned in force to wage war (the lightsabers at this point had a power cord plugged into a generator they wore on their belts). They lost again, but then later returned to try again and killed themselves creating a thing called a mind bomb (they link together to turn themselves into a bomb). Darth Bane and one apprentice survived.[/quote]

I need to read these books at some point.

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I don't know how much of that's covered in the books, everything I know about that era is from the comics. You can download a torrent of all the comics (if it's still active), it's about 4 gig. If you want to check out the books I'd suggest starting with the follow up to ep3 (Dark Lord of the Sith?) which is pretty recent. After that check out the trilogy Timothy Zahn did to follow up after Jedi, and also Michael A Stackpole's 4 X-Wing books. The rest aren't anywhere near as well written.

Release the inner nerd, I must.

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That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. That, and penis.

I should also point out that the space ships had sails and rigging.

And space butt pirates?

No, but I'll put that down to the damn comic book code.

The books are shit. The only Star Wars canon is what happens in the movies.

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Fuck you pig-monkey! I keel joo!

Seriously though, dude's got a point. Zahn and Stackpole are top end mediocre as far as general sci-fi writers go. The books are definitely for serious fans only, although they are a lot better than most spin-off books.

Have sex. Lots of it.[/quote]

And this would be different from normal, how?[/quote]you'd be having it with another person and not the toilet brush

*highfives the toilet store*[/quote]

At least I'm getting laid outside of prison.

[/quote]halfway houses don't count[/quote]

That reminds me, your mom said to tell you hi.[/quote]i think her exact message was "hi. ivy stopped by today. bring more toilet brushes."

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