Well, that's certainly a lot to think about. I'll admit that the whole topic of copyrights in reference to this site is an interesting one. And since you asked, I should mention that no, I never gave much thought to the matter.

In a practical sense, it doesn't make much of a difference to me either way. If we were to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Brad was in violation of some copyright laws, and that any of us who had used them were in the same boat, I still wouldn't be all that concerned.

I've seen numerous occasions of various folks online that have done a whole lot worse than what Brad's doing. If any action was taken, it was usually just a cease and desist order from a law firm.

So I doubt much that anything is ever going to come about in terms of bringing the copyright police down on Stripcreator's head, unless someone goes and rats us out to Groening.

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[quote]I just wanted to say that it's particularly funny that artistic types take out their aggressions via art. They have that old, "If you piss me off, I'll draw you like a ninny" complex.

That's funny to me.[/quote]
It's funny to me, too. Matt Groening did a "Life in Hell" comic strip about this very subject called "Your Guide to the Modern Creative Artistic Types". It's one of my faves. The strip is a matrix that shows the creative types down the left side, and across the top are the categories of dominant personality trait, secondary personality traits, distinguishing features, haunting question, and how to annoy them. The strip shows many creative types, including writer, painter, poet, and actor. At the bottom is cartoonist, and on the right under 'how to annoy them' is the warning: It is unwise to annoy cartoonists. I love that. Like the whole comic strip was just a big warning not to piss off cartoonists. Brilliant!

I'm having trouble visualizing that. Could you scan it for me and post it?

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100 pounds of shit in a 25 pound sack.

For what it's worth, I don't think many people do give much thought to copyrights. That's not an accusation, it's just an observation, based on experience.

It's really sad for those individuals who make their living at creating intellectual property, because they are essentially at the mercy of the general public who doesn't seem to feel concerned or even know at all that copyright infringement is not just stealing, but it's morally wrong, too.

LOL

...but if it makes you feel like a better person to belittle my opinions, more power to ya.[/quote]Anything you took from my statement other than its "yours is but one opinion" thrust is from your own imagination and compettitive nature.

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ObiJo, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but citing arbitrary excerpts from one web page you read in an hour does not go very far to convince me that copyright violation has not occured.[/quote]There's two ways I can tell when I've won an argument (or, more accurately, that the other person feels they've lost) - 1. They attack me rather than my arguments and 2. They fall into the old opinion maelstrom. (That's just my OPINION. I'm entitled to it. This is like the fetal position of debates.)

I appreciate the history lesson on copyright, but it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion. I presented a counterargument to what you said. Something that nullified your assertion that stripcreator is breaking copyright law. You offer no counter argument, but instead pat me on the head, saying you appreciate my enthusiasm, but that random excerpts from a webpage won't convince you.
I doubt you even read the page. If you did, you'd see that it covered specific court rulings on copyright law, and did so in an unbiased manner.

You raised an assertion. I raised counter points. You sidestepped.

Address my points, and we can have a worthwhile debate. Hide behind your patronizing attitude, and we can't.

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I ate a hooker half a bottle of knife.

I didn't know that! I think I'll wonder over to Groening's site now and buy much merchandise!

Little much?

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I ate a hooker half a bottle of knife.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Sadly the only worthwhile comment I can add to this discussion is that Bongo HAS appeared in the Simpsons a couple of times, as a stuffed toy in Maggie's bedroom.

Sorry.

I still say we just contact someone who works for Groening and ask them what they think. Every other artist has been fine with their art being used here, I don't see why he would be any different.

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I'm not surprised Groening slipped Bongo in there somewhere. Do you know if Akbar and Jeff ever made an appearance?

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

...but if it makes you feel like a better person to belittle my opinions, more power to ya.[/quote]Anything you took from my statement other than its "yours is but one opinion" thrust is from your own imagination and compettitive nature.[/quote]

Or maybe it's because of the following from that email you sent me a month ago:

[quote]Yes, but you're so fun to pick on. I'm making a pool
now to see whether you reply. Part of me thinks "Yes,
she's a power-hungry control freak, her eye will start
twitching if she doesn't get the last word." I hope
it's not true, since this is just a waste of my time.
You're super intelligent but tainted, so I don't value
anything you say. I'm really only writing back to you
to get a few more jabs in, since you're the first
person in my bad person list, so I feel no remorse
about doing it. And, it gives me pleasure to kick you
around a little since, well... since you're you.
[/quote]

No, probably just my imagination.

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I am a delicate fucking flower. https://beacons.ai/jesskent

why shouldn't bongo stay!?

oh.

I can't believe Brad let a newb push him around like that.

Well if newbs have that much power here... Hey Brad! Give me all the money you made from this site last month! Right now! =P

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Peace and Love.

No one even mentioned my replacment Bongo :(

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Is that the bunny from Alice in Wonderland?

LadyJ, Obi, could you please take your fight somewhere else? It's detracting from the main issue here.

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Dad was flammable

Yes.

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I ate a hooker half a bottle of knife.

Sadly the only worthwhile comment I can add to this discussion is that Bongo HAS appeared in the Simpsons a couple of times, as a stuffed toy in Maggie's bedroom.

Sorry.

I still say we just contact someone who works for Groening and ask them what they think. Every other artist has been fine with their art being used here, I don't see why he would be any different.

[/quote]

I would agree that contacting the artists involved, or the mega-media congolomerate that controls that intellectual property, and asking them would be the safest thing. However, be prepared to get smacked down. There's a substantial difference between a comic that someone posts on the internet and a comic that has been syndicated worldwide for over twenty years. What the media companies are afraid of, why they're so violently opposed to the apperance of intellectual property law infrigement (DMCA be dammed!), is that they know that if they give anyone an inch, they'll lose a yard.

People are exceedingly clever, and any loophole can easily become what the media companies perceive as an excuse to rape and pilliage their bottom line. After all, it's all about money.

Try going to google and doing a search on "intellectual property" or "copyright law dmca" or "copyright and internet" and you'll pretty quickly get a sense that companies are throwing lots of money at congress and anyone else who'll listen in an attempt to stop up the gigantic hole that's already been opened in their profit margins.

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"In the end, everything is a gag." - Charles Chaplin

[quote]Doesn't Brad know anything about copyright infringement? He's profiting off of your donations, which go to the exploitation of copyrighted cartoon characters.

Does Brad care about this? Does anyone care?

Talk amongst yourselves.[/quote]

Get fucked, lawyer boy.

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I'd have to argue that he does get fucked. That's why he's so calm and logical in the face of this non-stop wave of "clever" retorts.

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"In the end, everything is a gag." - Charles Chaplin

Disney is the fronthead of destroying the very thing that made it rich, namely, public domain. Steamboat Willy's copyright will be up in 2003, and Disney wants to change that. Disregarding the essential point of limited ownership, Disney is basically trying to circumvent the very idea behind Copyright laws.

If I recall, Jefferson would be kicking ass and taking names if he saw what is going on in Congress regarding copyright these days.

And he'd do it with a gun.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Was it "get" or "fucked" that eluded your keen legal mind?

Hahaha. That's how we greet newbies around here. By "we" I mean "me," and by "greet" I mean "insult and see if they go away." But you do sound like a lawyer boy. What are you trying to prove? That there's a big jaywalking crackdown afoot? Ooh.

If we want to talk copyright, or "intellectual property" (misnomer), I'm going to have to bring up the notion of a limited statutory grant in certain uses of a work, and the purpose for which this grant was invented. You're wrong about several things. You're right, though, that copyright owners are extending their legal privileges into areas previously unimagined, at the expense of copyright users.

That's what I meant by "get fucked." Read between the lines!

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e.g.,
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I would agree that contacting the artists involved, or the mega-media congolomerate that controls that intellectual property, and asking them would be the safest thing.[/quote]

That's about as safe as running through Hell with gasoline drawers on. I guess legal advice is worth what you pay for it.

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