Oh jeez. I just make a few comments that go along with the conversation and I’ve got dingdongs running around swearing cause they all of a sudden didn't know what they were talking about.

You can use that word if you want. I don't care.

As for right and wrong, I believe an interesting concept that runs along with that is this-
Man has no moral instinct. We acquire moral sense through experience and events in our youth, and it’s a matter of nurture and not nature. Someone learns the difference between what we know to be right and wrong, and when they don't, it's obvious what happens. Think of kids who never had any parents to help them growing up. Or people who have NO contact with others. What's your first impression when you see someone who is left alone from judgment by society that lives by "right and wrong"?

As for who developed what exactly is right or wrong, I don't know. Maybe the Indian guy up on the mountain from the Simpsons that Apou wanted to talk to.

Riiiiiight. We don't know what we're talking about because we disagree with you and choose not to argue with you any more. Two quotes come to mind:

"Never argue with an idiot. They[sic] drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." -unknown

"You're a dick and I've had it with your dicketry!" - Either Stan or Kyle from South Park. I think it was Stan.

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sorry, sorry, sorry. I'll refrain form philisophical conversation while i'm here in lala land.
sea? I'll eben spell bad to!

You act like you are the only participant here capable of philosophical thought. A recurring theme with you seems to be "none of you get my weighty meaning," when the truth is this -- your freshman philosophy 101 is not going over my head and it is probably not going over others' heads - it's just not that mind-blowing. You are not the first to voice these ideas, nor are you the most eloquent or persuasive.

And you seem to be stuck on the idea that you are some kind of hero because you are outspoken about your beliefs. Hooray for you! Guess what - many of us here are outspoken about our beliefs and most of us don't have the backing of the majority of the American "In God We Trust" public.

Get over yourself.

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

And before you get to thinking that the only reason people are responding to you this way is that 'they don't agree with me,' you should know that several people here get along fine (overall) with each other despite diametrically opposed opinions on religion, politics, ethics, and other issues.

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

I support the belief that wirthling is a gimp.

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100 pounds of shit in a 25 pound sack.

I think bunner's style is rubbing off on me.

Is there an ointment for that?

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

[quote]You act like you are the only participant here capable of philosophical thought. A recurring theme with you seems to be "none of you get my weighty meaning," when the truth is this -- your freshman philosophy 101 is not going over my head and it is probably not going over others' heads - it's just not that mind-blowing. You are not the first to voice these ideas, nor are you the most eloquent or persuasive.
[/quote]
Sorry, I REALY DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT.
Oops, was that loud?
Anyway I realy don't mean to give you that impression, its just that everyone else is capeble of clear
and fine communication, but when it comes to me, it's like I'm some kinda alien for joining the conversation.
I'd try, but the last time I had an out-of-body experience was when I played Descent 2 for 4 hours straight.

From the Holy Babble:

Donkeys II 13:24 - And wirthling, son of Jehezegeekariah, became known throughout the land as a pissy, pedantic, smirking fuck.

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

You think he's kidding.

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100 pounds of shit in a 25 pound sack.

[quote][quote]You act like you are the only participant here capable of philosophical thought. A recurring theme with you seems to be "none of you get my weighty meaning," when the truth is this -- your freshman philosophy 101 is not going over my head and it is probably not going over others' heads - it's just not that mind-blowing. You are not the first to voice these ideas, nor are you the most eloquent or persuasive.
[/quote]
Sorry, I REALY DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT.
Oops, was that loud?
Anyway I realy don't mean to give you that impression, its just that everyone else is capeble of clear
and fine communication, but when it comes to me, it's like I'm some kinda alien for joining the conversation[/quote]

If you're wondering how I came by that impression:

[list]
[*]"You fools: you have no idea what im talking about."

[*]"You all don't sound like it. Abstract conversations have few true participants."

[*]"Abstract conversations are not popular anymore- that just shows you where society is going."

[*]"I guess I was being to broad and abstract in my thoughts."

[*]"Remember the balls i have that enable me to talk about my religion so forcefully."

[*]"I go away for a day and everyone comes to my [emphasis mine] argument."

[*]"Two points I wanna make about this psuedo-philosophical conversation"

[*]"I just make a few comments that go along with the conversation and I’ve got dingdongs running around swearing cause they all of a sudden didn't know what they were talking about."

[*]"I'll refrain form philisophical conversation while i'm here in lala land."

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

[quote]
If you're wondering how I came by that impression:

[list]
[*]"You fools: you have no idea what im talking about."

[*]"You all don't sound like it. Abstract conversations have few true participants."

[*]"Abstract conversations are not popular anymore- that just shows you where society is going."

[*]"I guess I was being to broad and abstract in my thoughts."
[/quote] Dude, that's not cool. I admit I was being childish in my ealier posts and I apologized for it.
[quote]
[*]"Remember the balls i have that enable me to talk about my religion so forcefully."
[/quote]I said that to introduce what I was going to say, which I thought people would think of as harsh. I didn't mean to be lording it over everyone.
[quote]
[*]"I go away for a day and everyone comes to my [emphasis mine] argument."
[/quote]Dude, THATS not cool, I didn't mean it that way! Before all you regs showed up, it was my argument with crabby and you about why I prefer not to say c-holing. So it realy was my discussion.
[quote]
[*]"Two points I wanna make about this psuedo-philosophical conversation"
[/quote]
It is just that... Isn't it? I mean it's not that deep, just sounds it... guess I'm sorry if that sounded "condencending", as a scorekeeper might say.
[quote]
[*]"I just make a few comments that go along with the conversation and I’ve got dingdongs running around swearing cause they all of a sudden didn't know what they were talking about."
[/quote] People started swearing for reasons I can't figure! I mean, one miniute you all are having a normal serious conversation then I see F*** F*** F*** F***.
[quote]
[*]"I'll refrain form philisophical conversation while i'm here in lala land."[/quote]
I was kidding cause this place is a funny place(lala land), full of funny people... man it's easy to piss you people off...
THAT WAS A JOKE! I WAS KIDDING! SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY!

So, anyone wanna spank me?
*winks at Attitudechicka*
Uh oh...
*runs from Spankling.*

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

We curse here. You know why? Because it's fun. If you don't like it, don't look.

There's a super-religious person at work. She looks injured every time someone slips up and curses. I slammed my finger in the door accidentally - a situation for which swear words were designed - and spent every ounce of energy in my body NOT shouting "MOTHERFUCKER".

Whenever she gets that look on her face when someone accidentally says something they should not have, I want to shake her and tell her that it's not her job to worry about it. If God has a problem with it, he'll take care of it.

My personal belief if that words only have as much strength as you give them. If you stop being offended by the word "fuck", it is no longer a swear word. If someone says "Fucking hell, I fucked up." I don't get offended. If someone says "Fuck you, you fucking cunt." I get offended, but only because there was malice intended. I'm not offended by the words, but the intent behind them.

As for your backpedaling over the things you were quoted as saying, take some fucking responsibility for what you say if you want to be taken seriously, for fuck's sake. Fuck.

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I am a delicate fucking flower. https://beacons.ai/jesskent

Fuck, fucking fuck the fucking fuck.
:)

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Well, JrnymnNate, I want you to know that I am tolerant of you and your opinions, even if you are an insincere, assholier-than-thou fuckstick. j/k ;-) LOL SORRY!!! ;-)

;-) ;-) ;-)

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

Hang on. Rewind.

DexX is an Aussie, lapsed catholic, bible-toting, bisexual, pro-life, pro-equal-rights linguist/philosopher?! Now that is a select demographic! More power to ya...

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"And Wirthling isn't worth the paper he isn't printed on."

RARRRR!! TOBOR WILL CORNHOLE WRITHLING!
THEN SPANKLING WILL MAKE EVEN TOBOR SCARED!

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

We all need to be stuck in a tiny room with Nerf bats for a few hours.

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100 pounds of shit in a 25 pound sack.

[quote]

Even Judaism and Christianity differ so radically as to make a joke of the term Judaeo-Christian.

[/quote]

Except of course the Jesus himself was a jew .. (even though both Christians and Jews prefer to ignore that fact) :)

And that the Christian Old Testament consists of the same books as the Jewish Torah ..

[quote]

I agree that there might be common or even universal elements of religious experience across cultures, but we won't arrive at them simply by declaring all religions the same.

[/quote]

Well .. let's take for example paganism .. they put this to work the best, I think .. basically, they believe in an entity which consists of the 'consciousness' of all living beings (sorry if my description is a bit off, it's been a while since I've read into this) .. furthermore, they believe that each deity is a part of this entity .. so besically, God, Allah, Jahweh, Shiva, etc. are all PART of this same entity. This would of course not make all religions the same .. religions are very closely based on cultural backgrounds of the areas where they originated.

Furthermore, a lot of problems come from translations .. Take 3 or 4 bible translations and put them alongside eachother .. you'll be surprised at how much differences there suddenly are in what is said. A lot of things have been interpreted by the translator and of course always in such a way as that it benefited the translator. Then you come to the priests (or whatever they're called in whichever religion) ..who basically then interpret what has been written again in their own manner.

And furthermore .. a lot of what was written in the bible should be taken with a few grains of salt. It is known that some of the evangelists wrote their books years after Jesus (supposedly) died. This makes of course for non-literal quotes. (would you remember literally what someone said 2 or 3 years after he said it?)

Also, there are things in the bible that clearly contradict eachother. Mostly between books that were written at different times. Different times mean different ideas and different morals.

So basically .. the bible puts down some basic rules, but you shouldn't take most things literally .. always try to read the context in which something was said too (taking quotes out of context is the favorite way for religious fanatics to convince people of the fact that they're right)

[quote]

Anyway, I'm glad you're here and tolerant. These forums aren't so rancorous, really. I hope you stay.[/quote]

I've decided to just skip on a few threads .. mostly those created by certain people who's names I will not mention here :)

Apologies for the long rant :)

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Ignorance is no excuse

I think were all forgetting what this thread is really about.

SECRET THREAD.

[quote]I think bunner's style is rubbing off on me.

Is there an ointment for that?[/quote]

Yes. It's called common courtesy. It's usually in a base of simple dignity and has the fragrance of conscionable behaviour added to make it smell nice.

If it's available where you are, let me know. I haven't been able to locate it for years.

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

I tried to quote something in the secret forum thread. I tried to reply to something in the secret forum thread. I got a PayPal Donate button and nothing else. If this is a glitch, let me know when it's fixed. If this is a terribly gauche way of saying I should cough up some dough, I don't use PayPal and I offered to send money and nobody answered me on it and eat me you pushy fuck.

Other than that, a very cool thread. :- )

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

[quote]
As for right and wrong, I believe an interesting concept that runs along with that is this-
Man has no moral instinct.
[/quote]

You might want to try a little anthropology with your received truth.

[quote]
We acquire moral sense through experience and events in our youth, and it’s a matter of nurture and not nature. Someone learns the difference between what we know to be right and wrong, and when they don't, it's obvious what happens. Think of kids who never had any parents to help them growing up. Or people who have NO contact with others.
[/quote]

Such a person is hardly a person. Human beings are cultural animals to such a degree that it is fair to say that they have never existed without culture. They utterly depend on it to teach them things that most animals know by "instinct" (a term you should use advisedly). Such things include rules of social interaction, yes, and also hunting and even sexual intercourse. To say that "man has no moral instinct" is therefore much like saying humans have no predatory or sexual instincts.

Wirthling is right. You're coming across as a freshman trying lamely to prove a foregone conclusion, and you don't even seem to be aware of how tired and trite your views appear. Don't let our juvenile sense of humor fool you. Many of us here read and argue seriously on these subjects and have been doing so for a long time. Myself, I take it as a sign of bad faith when someone starts lobbing off half-assed arguments. If you really cared about our little conversation, I imagine you'd read and think through the issues a little more carefully. But what do I expect from someone who believes he has the key to absolute right and wrong?

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[quote][quote]

Even Judaism and Christianity differ so radically as to make a joke of the term Judaeo-Christian.

[/quote]

Except of course the Jesus himself was a jew .. (even though both Christians and Jews prefer to ignore that fact) :)
[/quote]

Yes and no. Yes, I think the evidence is overwhelming that Jesus was a Jew-- a Pharisee, apparently, and leader of one of many contemporary Messianic movements whose goal was to throw Rome out of Judaea. What he was very probably not, as far as I can tell, was a Christian, or the founder of Christianity. That honor probably belongs to one Saul of Tarsus, or Paul, and believe me, many Jews are eager to point this out and thus reclaim the Jesus story as part of their heritage.

[quote]
And that the Christian Old Testament consists of the same books as the Jewish Torah ..
[/quote]

And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. Sticking a bunch of Jewish scriptures (themselves dizzyingly variegated) and a bunch of Hellenistic mystery scriptures between the same covers does not make them the same religion.

[quote]
[quote]
I agree that there might be common or even universal elements of religious experience across cultures, but we won't arrive at them simply by declaring all religions the same.
[/quote]

Well .. let's take for example paganism .. they put this to work the best, I think .. basically, they believe in an entity which consists of the 'consciousness' of all living beings (sorry if my description is a bit off, it's been a while since I've read into this) .. furthermore, they believe that each deity is a part of this entity .. so besically, God, Allah, Jahweh, Shiva, etc. are all PART of this same entity.
[/quote]

I guess you mean neo-Paganism. You're describing pantheism, and yes, many neo-Pagans have a pantheistic outlook. (Footnote: There are also atheistic, agnostic, and non-theistic neo-Pagans. There are even non-theistic Christians.)

[quote]This would of course not make all religions the same .. religions are very closely based on cultural backgrounds of the areas where they originated.
[/quote]

Exactly. Pantheism has been around a long time, but saying "all gods are one" (much less all religions) does not make Hinduism the same as Islam.

[quote]
It is known that some of the evangelists wrote their books years after Jesus (supposedly) died.
[/quote]

That's an understatement. The authors of the Gospels were disciples of Paul, who never met Jesus.

[quote]
Also, there are things in the bible that clearly contradict eachother. Mostly between books that were written at different times. Different times mean different ideas and different morals.

So basically .. the bible puts down some basic rules, but you shouldn't take most things literally ..
[/quote]

You're telling me! But your viewpoint leaves us (correctly, I think) picking and choosing among Biblical injunctions-- deciding for ourselves which are the "basic rules" and what they mean. To do this, we employ reason. So who needs received truth? More to the point, who in the world is actually receiving this "truth" as opposed to using judgement, as you describe? Certainly no one.

(I'm still going on what is usually a useless topic because it seems to me some interesting questions of fact have come up.)

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